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The City of Edina owns several parcels of land near 50th & France. After issuing a Request for Proposals to add public parking, commercial space and a vibrant streetscape, the Buhl Investors/Saturday Properties development team was selected as the preferred development partner. Their concept consists of two distinct components that would be constructed separately.

Phase 1 involves expanding and remodeling the existing North Ramp to include more public parking and new commercial space on the street level. Phase 2 includes replacing the aging Center Ramp with new commercial space and apartments centered on a new public plaza. Two levels of parking for residents and the general public would be below ground.

How can the first phase on the north side of the street be improved or enhanced to better meet the needs of the community?

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Sharon G 6 months ago

Widen the street so that the increase in traffic in that corner can flow smoothly. Add a wide, enclosed and inviting skyway from the ramp to the shopping area/new plaza so the increase in pedestrian traffic is channelled away from the street and people can safely get across the street. A skyway will keep traffic moving better if cars don't have to stop at a light to let pedestrians cross.

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Kathy Sandy 6 months ago

How would you propose widening the street?

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Jim Stromberg 6 months ago

Two items regarding Phase 1: First: height of ramp. Has anyone done a credible study on how much parking space is needed? The proposal involves adding another 'story' to the present ramp, as well as adding two more sections of 4-story ramp on either side of present structure. Before adding a 4th story to any of that, let's see some kind of 'scientific' study of parking needs - perhaps staying with 3 stories will make this more liveable for the residential community to the north of the ramp. Second: traffic is already a nightmare in the district. What kind of traffic study has been done? Will the street be widened? Will you do anything to answer the concerns of the residents of 49th street and Maple street about the already stream of vehicles that use those streets in order to avoid the 'mess' that is 49th1/2/France/50th?

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Jennifer Hennemuth 6 months ago

I will echo the traffic concern. Traffic needs to be addressed ahead of parking and development. France cannot be widened and is already congested as it is. The proposed density will only make this worse and I have not seen nor heard any viable solution to this concern. 49th 1/2 will need to be widened as stated above to accommodate existing traffic much less more traffic! And the residents to the north will be impacted by 4 stories of parking and I don't think that's acceptable. It should be capped at 3 at most. Even then, ramp parking is very inconvenient. Unless someone is planning to visit multiple locations or have an extended stay in the area, it will be a deterrent from going to those businesses. The preliminary proposed density is too much. It needs to be scaled back significantly.

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Becky Sertich 6 months ago

I echo the already stated concerns regarding traffic flow.

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Kathy Sandy 6 months ago

Agree about traffic. An expansion of residential dwellings and businesses would require a commensurate expansion in roadways to accommodate the increase in traffic. Since 50th and France has no land left for street expansion, how would you meet the traffic needs? Traffic flow is already a problem for this destination because of its lack of proximity to a major highway. Cars traveling from 100 must travel on 50th, which is a one lane road barely sufficient for residents' needs. And cars coming from 62 have similar issues on France.

Development and enhancement of 50th and France should be just that: enhancement....first and foremost for residents who live, shop, and dine there every day. When we lose sight of that priority and develop to a point that our town is less livable for ourselves, then we are on a misguided path that serves no one.

Also, in case the City is considering expanding France - with a bypass around the shopping district - be upfront about it and make sure this is something the residents of that area want before you commit to the development.

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Joel Stegner, Community volunteer 5 months ago

The area around 50th and France is walkable. When you are doing the projects, be sure to provide the best in terms of sidewalks and crosswalks, rather than doing them poorly as an afterthought. As traffic will increase when the project is done, anticipate pedestrian needs before the roads are done. The sidewalks and cross crossing along France Avenue are grossly inadequate as that was not done there.

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Mary Quinlivan 5 months ago

I am adding my voice to the concerns about traffic already being a problem and the proposed height of the new ramp. Because of the impact on 49th st residents it should be kept to three levels. I would like to see the developers ideas on a covered walkway and a skyway. If good studies have not been done on parking needs I support those being done before development is approved

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KE W 5 months ago

I just want to pile on with the traffic flow concern. If there is a way to improve traffic flow, this development would be great.

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John Hamilton 5 months ago

I don't think traffic is a problem and I don't believe the added opportunities create a problem but the important thing is not what I think, but what the traffic engineering studies tell us. The development team will put together a study the will show us one way or the other. Let's wait and see what it tells us.

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Wayne Wenger 5 months ago

Has the city done a traffic study to show the impact of the extra cars both during construction and after construction. Driving on France or 50th from 3:00pm is impossible now without adding other sources of traffic and congestion.

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greta simondet 5 months ago

I agree with figuring out traffic solutions in advance. And I don't understand why it's allowed to have left turns when on 50th going to France--it really backs up traffic with no left-turn signal (and coming from the west you can at least have a left turn signal by the bank and go on 49th to a left turn onto France there, avoiding 50th--same with 51st). I like the idea of the skyway.

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Joseph Huber 5 months ago

There are many ways to improve the first phase of this project to better address livability and traffic concerns. First, I echo the sentiment that there needs to be a better study of the "true" need for additional parking by adding a level to the north ramp. This more than anything induces more people to travel down this street in addition to raising the cost of the project that is passed on through higher rents and additional road maintenance. Second, I would removing the median and yellow slashed area on 49 1/2 street and using that space to widen the sidewalks. This will create a much better and safer pedestrian experience by providing additional areas for seating, activities, and space for people in wheelchairs, families using strollers, etc.

Next, reduce the number of car access points on 49 1/2. There are over 8 car access points to lots on this street alone! With so many cars turning, it is no wonder there is a lot of traffic congestion and people feel unsafe. By reducing access points, traffic can move more smoothly and pedestrians will be a lot safer since the number of conflict points will be reduced. Don't spend money on building a bridge/skyway over 49 1/2. This is a complete waste of money and will destroy the street life in the area by pulling people from the street. With less people on the street, cars will feel they can drive much faster and will make the area less safe for parents and children shopping in the area.

Finally, add more bike parking! It is extremely costly to add new parking - upwards of $20,000 per spot. Please devote money to adding a lot of bike parking so that people using bikes as their mode of transit have a safe place to park them. Additionally, moving people towards alternative transit will help reduce congestion in the area and people traveling by bike tend to spend more money and time in the area.

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